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Economic Nyquil – is Ron Paul worth the ‘risk’?

Posted by 5etester on October 30, 2011

With each passing day, the GOP nominee process does make a couple of things quite clear. Romney is the establishment choice as we all know and second, Ron Paul will likely have to run as an independent if he wants any chance at winning the Presidency.

More and more people each day are converting to Ron Paul with the same caveat. Everyone has reservations about his foreign policy. If they could just get past that, he would likely deny the establishment their candidate of choice.

That begs the question of just how ‘dangerous’ his foreign policy is to the security of the United States. Keep in mind, his belief is that our foreign policy of interventionism is a direct threat to our liberty as citizens. He believes that ‘potential’ threats from foreign sources is trumped by known threats to our liberty. Such as is the case with the PATRIOT Act. He’s been very consistent on this issue throughout the years. Most recently, he has been speaking out against the TSA actions in Tennessee.

First off, you need to decide which interpretation of ‘isolationism’ and ‘non-interventionism’ you wish to agree with. Depending upon your source, you can find differences or some that claim they are one and the same. I could write an entire novel examining just this issue alone. Suffice it to say his detractors tend to try to tag him with both labels.

We do know this for sure. Ron Paul believes in protecting the homeland first and foremost. No doubt because it’s what the Constitution declares a POTUS must do. Securing the borders would actually become a priority. In fact, here is his 6 point plan for doing just that.

Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:

  1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.  This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules.  But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair.  But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation.  This is insanity.  Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

I think this point gets lost on his supporters with reservations. He would enforce border security and illegal immigration more stringently than any other candidate out there. Including Mr. Border governor Rick Perry himself. Shouldn’t national defense job one start at our border? Name the candidate out there who you think would be tougher on the border and illegal immigration?

He has also been very clear of his intention to continue to hunt down terrorists. He doesn’t believe the way to do it is nation-occupying or nation-building. This is clearly the key area. I, like many others, don’t support his contention that 9-1-1 and other terrorists acts were a result of our meddling. One only need look at the stated beliefs of the various fanatical extremists operating around the globe to see that the entire Western way of life, not just our religious beliefs, are unacceptable to them and reason enough to attack us and our way of life.

One could make the case that the point is moot. Whether it is strictly their belief system or it has been incited by our presence, the end result is the same. In fact, if he were to see his policy through to fruition and withdraw the troops and close the bases, he would likely be forced to alter his stance when the attacks on America don’t subside. That gets to the crux of the issue.

Would America be substantially weakened by his policy? Would foreign countries that desire WMD’s now have carte blanche to obtain them? I don’t think anyone has any realistic fear of a ground attack on America. Not going to happen. In fact, even less likely under Ron Paul with a true secure border. The same goes for foreign terrorists entering America. Would home-grown terrorism rise?Would rogue nations enter new partnerships to conspire against us? Would a repeat of 9-1-1 or worse be a certainty?

All good questions. You could flip that on its head in search of an answer. Have our policies over the decades kept us safer? Clearly, we have been attacked despite our best efforts. I also believe many more would have been successful if not for using minor league terrorists to get the job done. Just look at the airline attacks that didn’t work. Usually due to ineptness, not an impenetrable defense. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was attempting to light his bomb. He was a success in my book merely by getting to that point. Same goes for the underwear bomber. He was igniting the bomb and would have succeeded with better planning and execution. The containment and subsequent arrest was after the fact.

The point is we spend a lot of money in foreign aid and military infrastructure overseas. Because our federal budget is so insanely large, supporters like to claim foreign aid is less than 1 percent. Sorry, but 1 percent of alot is alot.

Our military spending today virtually equals the entire output of the rest of the globe. During the Cold War, it ran at about 25%. Today, we spend around $700 billion annually on defense, far and away number one. We spend around $22-23 billion on foreign aid which actually doesn’t rank us very high based upon per capita spending.

If you’re looking at this issue entirely from a financial standpoint, we have spent many trillions of dollars in our history for foreign aid and overseas military conflicts. I don’t see this as black and white at all. To think that we could have been Switzerland-like for the last 235 years, remained neutral, and still have our world standing and liberty isn’t at all practical. But how do you place a value on how much is too much? If we had drawn the line at point X somewhere along the way, where would we be today?

Ron Paul doesn’t support isolationism or at least his interpretation of it. He clearly does support not intervening where our country or its citizens aren’t directly under threat. He also is Jeffersonian in his belief that entangling us in alliances is not in our best interests. Is the Bush doctrine more suited to todays geo-political atmosphere than the strict ideals of Thomas Jefferson over 200 hundred years ago? Would it have prevented 9-1-1? Would 9-1-1 have ever happened with a Ron Paul foreign policy in place previously? All arguable points either way.

The answer is there is no one size fits all answer. You, as a voter and as an American, must weigh out the pros and cons yourself when making this decision. This will always be an issue in which what is good for the goose may not be good for the gander. If you truly believe our country will be so weakened and vulnerable without the ability to defend ourselves by his policies, than you can’t vote for the guy. However, if you believe much of our foreign aid and military spending is all about the military-industrial complex, then you won’t think twice about it. Remember as well that our economy is far and away the world leader. They need us more than we need them. I can’t see cutting foreign aid across the board resulting in a large-scale rejection in all things America.

My hope would be that people will look past the rhetoric and soundbites to really delve into this issue. Reason being is that Ron Paul may represent the only real chance we have to enact economic Nyquil to our country. Hard choices require nasty medicine for a cure. It won’t be at all popular. It will be painful. It will require the full wrath of the establishment who resents the real solution even more than the average American.

I do know this. Nyquil is flat-out nasty going down, but I know the payoff is worth it.

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7 Responses to “Economic Nyquil – is Ron Paul worth the ‘risk’?”

  1. LD Jackson said

    Well said, 5etester. It comes down to how important we think actually trying to solve our problems really is. I have come to the point where I believe Ron Paul is the only candidate who is willing to make the hard choices and work to solve those problems. That’s why I have chosen to support him.

  2. 5etester said

    He really is the perfect choice in that respect because if he gets elected and follows through with it, he will be extremely unpopular. At least at first. Europe has shown us this. Ron Paul is no vanity queen like Obama and in it for the adoration of his legions of fans. I’m with you. I can’t see anyone else in the field willing to do it. One would hope he could find a way to ‘measure’ the medicine dosage just right to see some positive results within two years or he’ll be run out of town.

  3. I’ve come to the conclusion that people still do not understand how serious our debt problem and the world’s debt problem really is. Many believe that if we just make some minor adjustments, everything will return to normal. Only Ron Paul understands. When the meltdown comes, we and every other nation are going to have to learn to live without much in the way exports and imports for quite some time, so i am not too worried about Paul being an “isolationist”, which he isn’t anyway.

  4. 5etester said

    In the people’s defense, it is hard to grasp it. Particularly when they see the stock market booming with its best month ever, GDP was up for the last quarter and so on. What is really foreboding is the Euro example. The Greece debt issue has come to a head and yet even now when the austerity measures would seem to make sense to the most jaded, they still revolt and riot and say NIMBY. If the American people are of the same ilk at crunch time, then forget it, we are toast. I fear that is the case and even Ron Paul can’t save us. We need to have the world-wide collapse, flush out the toxins and let the chips fall where they may. I’d like to think we are better positioned than everyone else to recover. I think people’s concerns about his foreign policy will soon be back page news as our economic demons come to fruition. Nobody will care about aid to foreign countries or maintaining overseas bases when our debt finally consumes us.

  5. 5etester said

    BTW – there’s a good piece out today hypothesizing about what America would look like under Ron Paul – http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi192.html

  6. John Carey said

    Way to put things into perspective 5etester. Ron Paul is really hands down the only candidate talking about limited government and liberty. This really should be a no brainer for conservative or at least for those who claim to embrace the ideals of the tea party movement, However he does have a difficult time conveying the message and many have decided that his foreign policy position is just too scary to embrace. Even though his foreign policy stance is sound and mirrors pretty much what the founders would have promoted, people have been conditioned far too long by statist forces. Their fear of liberty outweighs their desire to walk away from dependency and that is what we’re truly up against.

  7. 5etester said

    Talk about a stacked deck. He threatens the left and right, the media, the banking cartel, the courts and the dependency nation. When he hits that close to the mark with that many groups, you know his message is sound.

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